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Posted - 2013.05.02 12:04:00 -
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Beam Lasers have a better tracking then rails
that better archetype tracking leads to better overall bonus from TE or TC or similar.
Beam Lasers have more dps then rails
Beam Lasers have more alpha dmg then rails
Beam Lasers need less ammo then rails
i guess Railguns have the advantage for hitting better in falloff and need less cap and PG, but thats all.
and now you all want lesser cap and PG ? that would be unbalanced if you ask me
btw i hope the medium railgun info comes out soon. cant wait for knowing what ccp plans to do with them. |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:23:00 -
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you are kidding right ?
1. Tachyon Beams have a Far better Tracking then 425 Rails
2. Zero Reload Time
3. with T1 Crystals Zero Costs
2. Tachyon Beams can reach 1000 DPS with T1 Crystals on a Abaddon 
3. Abaddon has 26250 powergrid. Hyperion has 19687. you think about that ?
4. The PG difference between Apoc and Mega is similar
5. Amarr ships has a better cap
6. the T2 and Faction Crystals are Cheaper for the number of Shots in Compare to Hybrid ammo.
so you have 18% more dps, more tracking, less reload time, less ammo cost, more alpha dmg, and ships with more PG and Cap, and just want more advantages ?
then please cry for a railgun buff too. because if ccp listen on you, railguns will be outclassed.
the 1200 dps Beam Laser Nightmares Just laughts at my Railgun Hyperion/Kronos in 0.0 farming  |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:52:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Antimatter Launcher wrote:the 1200 dps Beam Laser Nightmares Just laughts at my Railgun Hyperion/Kronos in 0.0 farming Better compare that to a vindicator that's at least a Pirate faction ship, too....
are you kidding ?
vindicator has the highest damage bonus about all BS ingame
best bs has 25% on 8 turrets
vindi has 37,5% on 8 turrets
so the vindi is not fair
we balance the ships for all ships and not just for the vindicator.
Regolis wrote:Antimatter Launcher wrote:you are kidding right ? 1. Tachyon Beams have a Far better Tracking then 425 Rails 2. Zero Reload Time 3. with T1 Crystals Zero Costs 2. Tachyon Beams can reach 1000 DPS with T1 Crystals on a Abaddon 3. Abaddon has 26250 powergrid. Hyperion has 19687. you think about that ? 4. The PG difference between Apoc and Mega is similar 5. Amarr ships has a better cap 6. the T2 and Faction Crystals are Cheaper for the number of Shots in Compare to Hybrid ammo. so you have 18% more dps, more tracking, less reload time, less ammo cost, more alpha dmg, and ships with more PG and Cap, and just want more advantages ? then please cry for a railgun buff too. because if ccp listen on you, railguns will be outclassed. the 1200 dps Beam Laser Nightmares Just laughts at my Railgun Hyperion/Kronos in 0.0 farming Fine. Make the powergrid the same on Amarr ships as other races after you reduce the fitting by 30% on lasers. Since you didn't read this thread I'll sum up. Megabeams are the equivalent of the 425mm Rail except they require 3x the power to run. Even with better capacitors (Not really anymore but that's another argument) the ships cap breaks just firing the guns. Most if not all Gallete ships can fit and run a MWD (even with the cap penalty) and still fire all their guns. You prolly still can't see it so I'll simplify even further. Amarr ships break their cap with their guns. Not MWD and armor repper and guns. JUST THE GUNS. Now let me address 6. Cheaper ammo ... in PVP you can carry 500 rounds with rails if you want. I ALWAYS have to carry my crystals. When you die in PVP you lose maybe 1 million in ammo. When I die in PVP I lost all my crystals typically around 12 mil in crystals since I can't break my T2 ammo stack into 50 or 500 shots.
Megabeams are to equivalent of the best railguns ? dont make me laught. 
then give me railguns with 18% more dps and higher PG and Cap consume. otherwise no balance without issues for the Tachyons. 
and btw, ammo is not just for pvp ;) |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 15:53:00 -
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Megabeams are to equivalent of the best railguns ? dont make me laught.
then give me railguns with 18% more dps and higher PG and Cap consume. otherwise no balance without issues for the Tachyons.
and btw, ammo is not just for pvp ;) |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 16:33:00 -
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Bucca Zerodyme wrote:
1. Only about 40% better Tracking, thats only 1 TC
2. No, you need to click, thats more then zero seconds
3. Constant cost not Zero
2. You cant fit 8 tachyon beams on a Abaddon, you need Fitting Mods for that
3. You can fit your 425mm Rail on a Hyperion, no one cares of the difference, if you can fit it
4. Same as 3
5. Only about 5% more Cap, but the Cap usage is Huge
6. With T2 Crystals you have about 1000 Shots, so its 1000ISK per Shot. Faction about 4000 Shots, thats 250 ISK per shot. No advandage on T2, only on Fraction Ammo
1. thats your argument ? then give every gallente ship an extra mid slot the TC. thanks
2. after 40 shots i got 5 second reload time with 425 rails. you got zero reload time after 40 shots.
3. zero with T1 ammunition that is the most use for pve with a hyperion/megathron because faction/T2 ammo on a 8 turret ship in pve will make more loss then win.
4. one fitting mod for 18% More DPS and better Tracking ? YES I WANT !!!!
5. if you dont want to fit an modul that increase your PG, then use Mega beams.
6. i cant do more DPS with 425 rails then you, even if you take Mega Beams. the balance is given.
7. the megabeams has a bigger disadvantage vs the 425mm rails because of the cap, but FAR more tracking !
8. lol faction ammunition for 250isk per shot ? you dont know the market. T1 Antimatter Charge L cost 220-250 isk per shot actually |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:3. zero with T1 ammunition that is the most use for pve with a hyperion/megathron because faction/T2 ammo on a 8 turret ship in pve will make more loss then win. Thinks the Hyperion still has 8 turrets... Seriously, stop the lying. You can't post on the Energy Turrets rewrite thread and then ignore the Gallente changes halfway down the screen.
i help your argumentation in fact with that
my main argument is the dps
Kronos = 441 dps
old hyperion with 8 x 425 Tech 2 and Antimatter Charge L = 441 dps
New hyperion = 360 dps
Abaddon/Nightmare/paladin = 502 dps |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
They are about par, regardless of whatever numbers you can fabricate.
made my day
mathematics is on my side. over and out. |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:37:00 -
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Regolis wrote:The Tachyon Beam laser is a unique weapon and should be balance separately.
then give gallente a unique weapon with separately balance and 18% more dps |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:30:00 -
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Mega beams are broken i admit. the cost to much energy. they should cost more then hybrids because of ammo advantage, but not 4 times more. i thin 3 times or 2 times more would be enough.
btw here some facts.
fittings with 2 damage mods and T2 weapons with T1 ammo to show you the difference.
using Odyssey EFT files !
Multi L and 2x Tech 2 Heat Sinks vs Antimatter L and 2x Tech 2 Field Stabs. so same conditions.
Hyperion 529 dps
Megathron 582 dps
Kronos 588 dps
Abaddon 669 dps
Nightmare 669 dps
Paladin 669 dps
and i admit, the abaddon is still very hard to fit, but its possible to reach this dps with enough tank for ratting in 0.0 space.
i can show you my odyssey abaddon eft fitting if you dont believe me.
after odyssey, the Paladin will do insane dps with taychion beams without problems
Kronos dont stand a chance with rails
today the nightmare allready shows what the paladin will able to do after odyssey.
the apoc will win too vs the rokh in dps.
the hyperion is not longer the best gallente T1 turret ship, its the megathron after odyssey, so we should compare the abaddon with the megathron in future.
i can give you a cap stable fitting for each of those ships for ratting in 0.0 space with far more dps then gallente rail boats. thats not hard for me. and i guess even ccp knows that. thats the reason why ccp dont listen about your wishes. |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:45:00 -
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well that what you asking for is much work and despide on what you want to do with the fitting.
need a drone npc 00 ratting fitting ? need an sansha 00 ratting fitting ? need an level 4 mission fitting ? need an small scale pvp fitting ? need an large fleet pvp fitting ?
i just speak for ratting in 0.0.
all the guys with Nightmares just laughting at my Kronos and make much bigger income then me because Tachyons are supreme in this situation. |
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Not true. really. A Nightmare is pretty much the only situation in which Tachyons really work
you speak at now. but in odyssey the paladin will become this option too.
and with hard work and some other weaks in compare, even the abaddon can reach this goal.
and btw, rogue drones have EM as highest weakness. so Sanchas and Rogue Drones are good for ratting with amarr Ships in 0.0 space. |
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